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  • 1.  Incremental budget versus other options

    Posted Feb 23, 2025 10:16 AM

    The City of Casper Wyoming has done an incremental budget until this year (we are on a fy July to june).  This year we started the process to provide a priority-based budget that aligns our budget to the programs the City provides.  We are currently at the scoring section of the process and we are very excited to see how our programs align with the City Councils priorities.  The timing of this process is fortuitous as our state legislature is discussing a reduction of property tax which could in turn lead the City to possibly reduce services.  This process will help Council evaluate programs which do not align to their goals and see if there can be alternative options for cost savings.  This idea is not just a technology change, it is a culture shift in how the community looks at the budget.



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    Jill Johnson CPFO, CPA
    Financial Services Director
    City of Casper
    Casper WY
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  • 2.  RE: Incremental budget versus other options

    Posted Feb 27, 2025 04:17 PM

    This is great.  How do you anticipate the priority-based budget to translate to your general ledger?



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    Glenys Salas
    Finance Director
    Town of Newtown
    Newtown CT
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  • 3.  RE: Incremental budget versus other options

    Posted Feb 28, 2025 03:51 PM

    Great question.  I was unsure how this worked at first also however after working through this process, the GL accounts don't go away as there still needs to be a line item budget which is connected to the GL accounts.  The difference is the presentation/discussion with council; the focus moves from each line item into a program discussion.  The end deliverable is an evaluation/analysis of which programs provide the most benefit to the community. 

     

    By looking at the budget by programs, you can combine parts of multiple departments and GL lines to get what the actual total program cost is.  For example, here in Casper our streets department plow snow from streets and our parks department plow snow from parking lots and sidewalks.  When the Council asks how much does it cost to clear snow, the program "snow removal" would have equipment personnel, materials, equipment maintenance, and any other parts of the budget which are part of snow removal.  We are no longer restricted to just looking at a particular department or line item.

     

    Jill Johnson, CPA, CPFO 

    Director of Financial Services

    City of Casper

    200 N David St.

    Casper, Wyoming 82601

    (307) 235-7570

     

     

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  • 4.  RE: Incremental budget versus other options

    Posted Mar 11, 2025 11:03 AM

    Without the connection to the GL, how are you able to report out on actual spending by priority? If you have conversations with your Council about spending by program/priority, it seems like they might also then have follow up questions throughout the year about what actually happened. Just curious how you address those types of inquiries.

    Thanks!

    Katie 



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    Katie Ludwig
    Director of Resource Development
    GFOA - Research and Consulting
    Chicago IL
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  • 5.  RE: Incremental budget versus other options

    Posted Mar 11, 2025 11:16 AM

    We use software outside our ERP system to link the GL accounts to the programs.  The deliverable shows Council the programs with their true budgeted costs and the level at which the program aligns with their priorities.  Yes, you are correct that there would be additional follow up about the programs throughout the year, not just what actually happened but if we want to add a new program, does that align to their priorities.  We are still in the beginning stages and are working on what this will look like over the course of a year. 

     

    Jill Johnson, CPA, CPFO 

    Director of Financial Services

    City of Casper

    200 N David St.

    Casper, Wyoming 82601

    (307) 235-7570

     

     

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    All City of Casper e-mails and attachments, except those defined as attorney/client communications or confidential/privileged information, may qualify as public records under the Wyoming Public Records Act, W.S. § 16-4-201 et seq., and are subject to public disclosure pursuant to this Act.

     






  • 6.  RE: Incremental budget versus other options

    Posted Mar 07, 2025 11:29 AM

    We are attempting to move in this direction as well but have been met with some resistance since the Strategic Goals set by our Board are not widely embraced in all areas of the County.  

    Did you get any pushback to this change in your budgeting approach?  If so, how did you work through that pushback?



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    Jennifer Ludwick
    Executive Finance Director
    Allegan County
    Allegan MI
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  • 7.  RE: Incremental budget versus other options

    Posted Mar 10, 2025 10:13 AM

    Would you or anyone else please share how you designed the priority-based budget and the scoring rubric along with pros for doing it this way?  We are looking at alternate ideas for budget as well.  I'm also interested in the cons if you haven't had success.

    As a second question, does anyone just provide a dollar amount for each department and let them spend however they want?  If they want a new mower or new computers, they have to figure out what to cut in order to make that happen.  And they would have to make the money stretch for 12 months.  This would be for operations only and would not include salaries and benefits or major capital items.  I think this approach would also come with VERY strict guidelines that there would be no budget amendments unless there is some type of natural disaster, total vehicle loss, etc.  If you do this, please share how you set it up and make it successful.  If you tried this with no success, please share the cons.

    Thank you!



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    Susan O'Brien
    Director of Finance & Personnel
    City of King
    King NC
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  • 8.  RE: Incremental budget versus other options

    Posted Mar 11, 2025 11:01 AM

    Susan, what you're describing (giving departments a "lump sum" to divvy up as they see fit) sounds a bit like a target-based budgeting approach. We recently released a paper on target-based budgeting: Target Based Budgeting

    We also have a webinar on target-based budgeting coming up on April 16 that you might want to join!

    Thanks,

    Katie 



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    Katie Ludwig
    Director of Resource Development
    GFOA - Research and Consulting
    Chicago IL
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